Keith Collyer
2 min readJun 23, 2023

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Clearly you didn't read what I wrote because you haven't really responded to it

"Religion doesn't just mean the Abrahamic religions that caused mayhem and havoc throughout history, if that's the only example you have in your life in the western world then so be it. These days they're are a bad example of what a concept of religion provides to human societies. It's a big world and an infinite existence, a miniscule 80 or so years of life and understanding won't cut it. Reading history books won't cut it either, unless you have first hand experience."

Nothing I wrote about religion could be construed as applying only to Abrahamic religions.

"To your point, China was "always" a state controlled society is a stretch, unless you're only taking into consideration the most recent Chinese history."

The Chinese emperors always took the view that "l'etat, c'est moi". So in that sense I am right.

"West doesn't take people's religious views into account???? I guess we can sweep the entire western religious history under the rug then. 😀 Unless you're only talking about the recent west that is mostly controlled by the media and law."

I should have said "most people in the West", because, to most people, the religion of others is not that important. And until fairly recently in many Western countries it was dangerous to be an atheist. Indeed, it still is in some parts of America. Not as much as in some fundamentalist Islamic states, to be sure. And, yes, to your point, I am talking about the recent West, because that's what exists now.

"The point is western Atheists have no clue what they're talking about when it comes to religion and it's purpose in general, and how could they, all most know is Sunday bible school and some high school history class that mostly talk about the Abrahamic Religions and their wild allegories and a laundry list of "musts" and "thous". I would be an atheist too, hell I was an atheist as a result of growing up in the west, it eventually didn't make any sense, the same way the poorly written and understood Abrahamic Religions from the middle east that were a mishmash of each other and other eastern religions didn't make any sense. Our default human state is to reach out to something higher than ourselves, the same way a plant reaches out towards the sun, the true source, religion is just a tool to make that happen and tools can be misused if poorly understood it's true intent, leading to delusion and fanaticism."

In surveys, the only religious group that tends to score higher than atheists on their knowledge of religions other than their own is the Jews. So as your premise is total bollocks, I feel comfortable rejecting your conclusions. You decry the Abrahamic religions but don't present anything that is more plausible. You come across as something of a bigot, quite frankly.

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Keith Collyer
Keith Collyer

Written by Keith Collyer

I’m a husband, father, grandfather, retired Systems Engineer, bassist, cyclist and will write on any and all of those things as the urge takes me.

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